Sunday, May 29, 2005

lawyers against torture

This post is provided as a forum for comments for the Left2Right post:

lawyers against torture
Posted by J. David Velleman: May 29, 2005

As reported in the New York Times, legal representation for the detainees at Guantánamo Bay is being coordinated by the Center for Constitutional Rights: ...

13 comments:

Bret said...

I can't imagine why David Velleman didn't open up comments on this one. If anything, I would imagine discussion would make it more likely that people would contribute to the cause.

Anonymous said...

The Center for Constitutional Rights is literally a Marxist-founded ally of the Communist Party USA, and dedicated to anti-capitalism and undermining American security and military efforts. the evidence for this is overwhelming, and I'll be clicking Velleman's link to donate to them just as soon as I convert to Stalinism: Read here here and here.

--Mona--

Bret said...

Mona, thanks for that info. I'm extremely perplexed that David Velleman would endorse such a group. I'm going to take your information and turn it into a trackback.

Anonymous said...

Looks like your second trackback was deleted -- that's ok, we can discuss these issues here.


This is from Powerline: Like the National Lawyers Guild, the Center for Constitutional Rights has made a seamless transition from an alliance with Communism to an alliance with Islamofascism in the name of the United States Constitution. That post continues by describing how the CCR is litigating to have Rumsfeld and various members of the U.S. military high command prosecuted, in German per German law(!), for war crimes.

--Mona--

Anonymous said...

Er, make that prosecuted in GermanY, not in German, tho if the CCR is going to seek to have our generals imprisoned under German law in that country, they may well have to proceed in the native language.

--Mona--

Bret said...

Wow, someone did delete the second trackback! I saw it there for awhile. I'm getting more disappointed with Left2Right and David Velleman by the minute. This isn't all that different from tactics by the Democratic Underground.

Though, in all fairness, I never give out my email address in groups like Left2Right so David Velleman cannot directly contact me (he could of course comment here, but that's not private). Did he email you, by any chance, Mona?

Bret said...

Mona, can I start a blog for you, from which you can do a trackback ping?

Anonymous said...

Bret, no, Prof. Velleman did not email me. He has deleted all trackbacks now, in response to your trackbacks. Frankly, I think that is petty, but I also think it was not wise for you to have double-trackbacked.

I would not have wanted a blog set up for me to trackback to Prof. Velleman's post, and was and am satisfied to discuss these issues here, if comments are disabled at L2R on this issue (which I think is very unfortunate, but it is not my blog).

For reasons known only to him, Prof. Velleman is smitten with the CCR. Apparently he does not wish to be associated with anyone who flags that organization's Marxist and Islamicist enthusiasms. Not very liberal-minded of him, but he is within his rights.

--Mona--

Anonymous said...

I had thought it was my trackbacks that pissed him off...I didn't recheck the site between my second trackback and the deletion of all of them.

As Mona says, he's within his rights, and I've apologized in the Housekeeping thread.

Bret...why no trackbacks here?

- Jim Hu

Bret said...

Jim Hu,
No trackback here yet because blogger doesn't directly support them. On my own site I use haloscan, but it takes some effort to set up. I was assuming this blog really would just be for comments for Gerald Dworkin and other Left2Right posts that didn't enable comments, where people who wanted to trackback would still just trackback to the original Left2Right post, not here. Let's see how this plays out, I'll enable trackbacks here if it really seems useful. In the meantime, just add a comment with a link to the post you're interested in tracking back.

I apologize for having your trackback deleted. I didn't have a (big) problem with him deleting my second trackback, but I don't think that it was reasonable of David Velleman to impede you because he didn't like something I did. It looks to me like he's trying to trick people into donating to a really bad organization. Some of the other deleted trackbacks also pointed out the extreme left wing connections, so I have that the second trackback from this site was just an excuse to delete them all. There's no doubt in my mind that his intentions in this regard are less than noble.

Bret said...

The two trackbacks deleted from Left2Right for the "lawyers against torture" post, other than the two from this site were:

blogs for industry (Jim Hu) and Resonant Information.

Anonymous said...

Bret,

I think he was talking about both of us. He says a "couple of blogs"

Bret said...

Jim Hu wrote: "I think he was talking about both of us."

Looks that way. I'm not going to worry about it though.

If I had to do it again, I think I'd do the same thing, though I would've trackbacked the second post from a different blog (I doubt that it would have mattered though). I think we successfully alerted a number of people to what CCR is before we got CENSORED. I'm satisfied.